How Josette Made Her Migraine Miracle Breakthrough

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Welcome to the migraine miracle moment. I’m your host, Dr. Josh Turknett. I’m a neurologist, migraine specialist, migraine sufferer and author of the book The Migraine Miracle. In this podcast, you’ll learn all about how to find your path to migraine freedom without pills. Let’s get started.

Hello. Welcome to another episode of The Miracle Moment. Like many of you, I imagine, I am currently social distancing and quarantining with the rest of my family. First of all, I hope that you and your family are safe and well right now and managing as best as you can. And like so many of us right now, you probably find yourself with a little bit of extra time on your hands. So we’ve got a great episode ahead of you.

I am delighted to be joined today with a special guest, a migraineverland member, Josette Wedge, who has been kind enough to share her wonderful story with you guys. I think you’re going to really enjoy it and find it inspiring and motivating as so many others of these stories have been. Just a real quick announcement before we get to that. Amidst all of the recent upheaval around Coronavirus or COVID 19, I have expanded my tele neurology practice, which means two things. First, if you’re a resident of the state of Georgia, I can now be your virtual neurologist and take you on as a patient. And I take Medicare and most major forms of insurance.

And if you’re not a Georgia resident, but you are a member of migraineverland, I have opened up more slots for one on one coaching visits. So this is something that I’ve been offering to members, but my available slots had been filled up for a while and I now have more time to accommodate doing these. And I’ve changed the way that they are structured so that I can now accommodate more people. So you can find out more about that and book a visit by going to my migrant miracle dot com and clicking on the work with Dr. T tab on the upper menu that has been recently added. And I will also place a link to that in the podcast description. If you are a migrant ever land member, you can go to your member home page and click book a session with Dr. T. OK. Now it is time for the interview. Just as a reminder, after we’re finished. Jenny and I will come back with some final thoughts and takeaways. So stay tuned for that as well.

All right, so we are delighted to be joined today by special guest Josette, who is going to share her migraines story with us. So welcome to the podcast, Josette. Thank you. So if we can start maybe by you just telling us a little bit about yourself.

Sure. So I’m 56 years old. Married second time. I have two wonderful adult children from my first marriage, 31 year old daughter who is expecting our first baby, my grandchild. And then in July.

Thank you. And a 28 year old son and I also have three wonderful stepchildren and two adorable step granddaughters. I live in New Brunswick, Canada. I am an engineer turned project manager. So I worked my whole career, mostly in the I.T. field. I’m very active. I have a lot of interests and activities. And I just I have a very rich and fulfilling life. But up until last spring, I was starting to get pretty discouraged about having such a great life, but not being able to enjoy it. Yes.

Yes. No. The feeling of migraines.

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

So, yeah, I discovered the migraines miracle plan in June.

Ok. That’s a Juno. Do you have 2092 in it? Exactly.

Exactly. So how long is your journey with to be spent? Ben, do you remember when it first started or when you were first visited?

Yeah, I do actually. I’ve actually been thinking about the whole history of it. And there’s actually kind of two chapters to my to my story. I’ve essentially had migraines my my whole adult life. They started I had headaches even as a child, but nothing debilitating or life changing, just annoying little headaches here and there. The first migraines I remember having was in my last year of university. I was studying for exams and I got such a bad headache and I vomited and I thought, oh, my God.

I think I studied too hard, really bad.

So that was the first time I really remember being debilitated and feeling so awful. And, you know, I would have been twenty two. And then, you know, I didn’t have a lot of migraines till after my children were born in 88 and 91. And I do remember them being small and and having these horrible headaches and vomiting and and, you know, trying to figure out what what the heck was wrong with me. Right. Yeah. So this would have been, you know, the early 90s. And I’ve I’ve seen my doctor quite a bit in the last year. And we went back and looked at my file and she prescribed Imitrex to me in 1994.

What I really wants. Uh-Huh.

One of the early ones. Yeah. And you know, like everybody else, it it was just a little miracle at the start of like, oh my God. Here’s the answer to my problem. You know, I’m now going to be able to function through these horrible events. And it did. It helped for a few years. And then, you know, fast forward to to like this was 94. So, you know, by 2005, 2006, all of a sudden, I’m having 18 to 20 of these a month. And I’m like, well, this is like this is out of control. The medication was still working. Okay. But I just felt so horrible. Just so horrible. Like it would make my heart rate faster or my heart beat faster. And. And, you know, as I started asking her, like, there’s gotta be another solution. And all she could do, you know, the only solution she had was like beta blockers and other preventative. And that did not interest me. So I did try some Chinese acupuncture extensively. You know, for a year in 2007, I did that and it actually got rid of the migraines. So that helped for several years. So that was kind of my Imitrex and acupuncture chapter.

Right. And, you know, that was 2007, 2008. Then, you know, I felt okay for four or five years. I’d still have little headaches here and there. But then the migraines came back. And in January of 2013, Excedrin migraines. Suggested to me and I took one during a migration and it helped and I thought, well, jeez, these can’t be too bad, they’re not even prescription medication. And then I started taking notes and, you know, for a few years it helped me be functional. But those got worse a lot quicker. And I also had gone through Rumen. I was going through menopause at that time. So I attributed it to being hormonal. And I just kind of thought they would kind of go away, but they didn’t take got worse. And then here I was stuck on this Excedrin migraines, which, you know, within four or five years back at the same place, 18 to 20 a month. And it’s not working. And the only thing the doctor can suggest is preventative and IV like I do not want to take more meds. Right. So what happened last? And I did go back to the acupuncture, but this time it really didn’t make a difference.

It made you know, it made no difference at all, really. And it was expensive. I’d have to go to Toronto and fly there and tell night and my assurance wouldn’t cover much of it. So I just stopped and I didn’t quite know what I was going to do. And that brought me to last spring, like the spring of 2019. And I just I tried many different things. I took the that I hired a meditation coach. I brought a meditation practice into my life. I took Chee Gong, I saw a natural path. She told me to stop gluten and sugar, which I did her and I would see marginal improvements, but not really right. I was still and not by then. You know, I’d have to take not just one Excedrin, my grain, but three or four throughout the day and still have a headache. So I was supplementing that with that bill and I was like, oh, my God, this is so wrong. This is just does not feel right. Right. So I went back to see my doctor in June of last year, 2019, and she says, oh, yeah, you have to stop taking those abortive medications. They give you a rebound.

And, you know, I panicked. You’re like, well, what? OK. Yeah. Well, what now?

And she and she did prescribe me the me trip to learn the anti-depressants. So I think this is like an off label use.

Yes. So I was I was scared to death about stopping, but I knew deep down that that I had to do it.

So it took me a week. I kept taking them for about a week. And then one morning I said, that’s it. I’m going to power through one. And it was horrible. And I thought, oh, my God, am I ever going to wean myself off this medication? And then I Googled how to detox from migraine medication.

And that’s how I found you. Oh, let her hear how this happened. Yes. Yeah.

So, you know, I’ve I’ve heard some of the stories where the the meds were like the last thing for them. For me, it was the first face that I. Yeah. But I mean, I had been tweaking and looking for improvements here and there, but never had I found like a holistic plan to follow that. I, you know, was very hopeful, would bring me to to the finish line or two to a better place. Right.

So what were the kind of the first things once you kind of found found your way to us were kind of the first things you did.

The diet, the diet. Well, first of all, I realized I could not take any abortive medication. And I didn’t talk about pacing myself. I just said, I’m not doing it anymore. I’m going to power. Yeah. I went cold turkey for sure. And then it was really about changing my diet, eliminating every, you know, all the refined carbs and the oils like the bad oils and lowering my carb content. I had no idea that many.

That’s kind of experience his.

And you know, I do. I did. I certainly learned that all Cheetos are not created equal. Right. I learned the hard way that some of the Kito Foods are not my growing miracle friendly.

Right, at all. At all. I think we’ve all done that. Yes. Well, I think you kind of have to write because you don’t really want your bit in denial. Yes. Right. Yeah. I really need to give all that up. Right.

And then and then you kind of try to skirt around it and then you realize. Yeah, you do. You really do. But the good news is that, you know, when I when I first started getting my head around how I had to change my eating plan, I was kind of devastated. But now the way I eat, I like I’m so satisfied and I enjoy my food so much.

Right. Like what? What was I worried about? I mean that. Oh, yes.

It’s it’s really life changing. Yeah. It really, really is. You know, I I joke, I tell my friends and my family. I’ve been looking for a solution for so long. Like I’ve been wondering what the heck was happening to me for so long. Why do people not live their lives normally and not have this debilitating right brain? And I do. Right. And I knew it was something within me, but and I knew it was this and that and this and that. But to have this knowledge and understand the principles. It’s like a superpower. I feel like I’ve been giving given a superpower.

Yeah. It’s it’s kind of like, you know, all these pieces of information and observations that may have felt completely disconnected at some point. And now they kind of all come together and fit into a cohesive picture. And you’re right. Once you kind of figure that out and realize it, underneath it are some just some fundamental principles that you can follow and apply. And everything makes sense and everything works when you do that. I agree. It feels feels magical, feel like a superpower.

It really, really does. Yeah. No, it’s it’s fantastic.

And have you so you alluded to this already that you in terms if you’re enjoying eating more and feeling more satisfied. Obviously, your your head feels better. Have there been other benefits in terms of the way you feel and live that you’ve that you’ve experienced since kind of making these changes?

So, absolutely. First of all, I’ve lost 25 pounds, which is huge because I’m I mean, I’m five, three and a half. And, you know, I had like ten fifteen pounds that I was OK to get would get rid of. But twenty five pounds is significant. I’m definitely the leanest I’ve been in my adult life. I’ve had to get all new pants like my my vest do not fit anymore.

And right now we’re talking two sizes down and I’m okay with all of this. And I just feel so good and clearheaded and joyful and like oh and my husband. I’ve been telling him lately, I don’t want to sound like a hippie, but I feel so spiritual.

Yes.

It’s like I’ve I’ve gone from survival mode to like, you know, how am I gonna get through this day? My going to be able to work today? Am I going to be able to show up at this event? Right. I’ve gone gone from that to like just feeling like I’ve got control of my life again, being able to make plans and knowing that I’ll probably be able to show up as long as long as I keep doing this plan, which is now, you know, becoming so routine and second nature.

Right. Yeah. Really? Athlete reconfigures kind of what you’re saying, your sense of what’s possible, right?

Oh, my God. It changes everything. It absolutely changes everything. Yeah. Because, I mean, I’m a very positive, optimistic horizon. And I’ve heard you say that you don’t like to talk. What? You didn’t like to talk about the migraines. Once they were done, they were done. Right. I’m the same. And I didn’t like to complain about them. I just wanted them to go away.

But now there’s plan. I could talk about it till I’m blue in the face. Exactly. That’s kind of why I just myself.

Some people are very open to it and they want to learn and hear. And, you know, other people. And you are right. Nutrition is a very controversial, opinionated field indeed.

Almost like religion. It is. Yes. Yeah.

And I mean, I don’t want to argue I don’t want to debate. I just want to do this plan and keep getting better. Right. Yeah. And one thing that I realized is my eating plan has become so simple. Like, it’s so simple. It saw it’s radical. In this day and age, because, you know. I know. So I also do the intermittent fasting. I essentially only eat from noon to 6 p.m.. It is really important that I don’t eat a good four or five hours before I go to bed. Yeah. So. And in the morning I drink fast coffee with NCT oil and cream in it. And I enjoy my coffee so much.

But I get it. I drink.

I eat from 12 to 6. So it’s super simple. And my my meals are very simple, but it is radical because it’s so different from the mainstream. I’m no longer part of the three meals a day crowds.

Right.

Socially, it’s a bit of a challenge. I haven’t figured all of that out yet. I read Lucent lately to Lori’s podcast. A lot of what she said was very helpful on how to kind of just adjust your life because I don’t want to miss on social events. I don’t want to offend anybody, but I want to keep feeling well.

Right. Right.

You know, I know what the dos and don’ts for me.

Yeah, it’s kind of it’s own skill set. You know, you figure out your own life habits in terms of what you’re eating, what you’re doing and so forth. And then you kind of figure out these other situations that you have to have to work through to Dino so that you can stay successful and then still participate in all the things you want to do. Exactly.

Exactly. And one of the things that I really appreciate about the plan and and the way you communicate your work is to really encouraging people to understand the principles, not.

Yes. So that they understand the rules. Yeah. Not just write rules. Right. And your analogies are wonderful. I absolutely adore your analogies. Yeah.

No, they’re helpful if they really help you understand different concepts and principles. And, you know, you’d I don’t need to be a doctor to understand, but but it really helps me to know that you’re a doctor and you have migraines and and, you know, you don’t make any statements unless there’s meat behind them. So, you know, it’s it’s been important to me once I did discover you back in June.

I just. That’s all I wanted to do is listen to your bio guy material.

I just wanted to download all this information into my head, like the faster the better. And I. And once I learned about this community, I joined and I went through the Peace Slayer Academy, which was so cool. And, you know, it takes a while because there is a lot to know and understand. Right. But you just have you know, I committed to spending in the beginning. I would spend a few hours every day. And now I, you know, either listen to a podcast or reread or something. But I like every day I commit to spending some time learning or reinforcing or free readings because, you know, you do miss stuff the first time for different reasons. Usually you’re not. You either glossed over it or it it just didn’t sink in.

Right. Or was it the right time? Right.

Why isn’t the right time? Well, one time or when I first read about that, just doing water with Himalayan salt the first time, I think I put it a teaspoon of salt in my water.

And I thought, oh, my God, I’m like I bagged it with a. I just drank beer. I read.

I know it was terrible.

So I went back and said, oh, Pancho, that’s better.

And, you know, it works. It works better because I could drink it. Right. Right. And it yeah, it really does help to understand the principles. For example, I use the starvin sink approach like that’s what I use the most in the beginning and I was already doing intermittent fasting. So it wasn’t that big a deal for me to to not eat. Plus I just felt so terrible I couldn’t eat anyways.

But it helped me to understand that it was this excess of energy. Brown Yes.

You know for many years I would read on migraines and there were the literature would say stuff about swelling of the blood, the blood vessels in your head. And I thought, oh, well, maybe it’s related to blood flow. But then when I went and listened to your podcast on Starve in Sync and it talked about energy and, you know, by starving you, you start putting more energy in. By exercising, you burn some of that energy like it made the whole difference in the world. Otherwise, I might have thought it would have been okay to eat a little bit more, you know, because I had incorrectly assumed that it was bloodflow related. Right. But it wasn’t mad at all. Right. Yeah. So it is so critical to understand the principles, not just the rules.

Yeah, I like what you said to you. You mentioned that you put in the work initially to to to learn everything and, you know, to go through as much as you could. But but now that you’re on the other side of it, not only have you experienced results, but things are a lot simpler with the other side of all that knowledge is is simplified.

So much of your life is really, really high. Yeah.

And I think that’s a really important point to make. So you you mentioned that you did go cold turkey. And I know that since that transitional phase where, you know, you were you were faced with this, your daughter saying, you know, you yourself, your borders and yours, I say, now what? For many, that’s that’s the most. That’s the scariest idea. And that’s the biggest obstacle. How how long was it for you between the time you said, okay, that’s it and the time you could start seeing some? Measure of progress.

So this after the first day of my agreeing with the vomiting that followed, like with seven days of headaches. And I would go walk and sometimes it would clear it. In the end, it wasn’t like debilitating headache for seven or eight days. I could still work. But for me, I’d often get my migraines in the middle of the night. I’d we have that tour career and with a migraine and I would take the Excedrin and and I’d be awake for a few hours and go back to sleep. So when I stopped taking them, I kept getting those headaches in the middle of the night. But I I wouldn’t take anything. And I think it was like eight days later that I finally woke up one morning and I had no headache for the first time since I stopped.

And I started sobbing like, oh, my God, finally. Right. Right. It has cleared.

It cleared.

But, you know, it was a difficult, difficult thing to do. Probably one of the most difficult things I’ve done. Yeah, but you know. But so worth it. So worth it. What what keeps you motivated? Is it is the hope and the knowledge that other people have gone through this and it works, you know? And I kept thinking to myself, I’ve been taking a board of medication for twenty five years. Imagine, you know, how toxic this has been to my my body.

It also I really like your analogy about losing your natural painkilling ability.

You know, the little firemen, firefighters show up for the firefighters fight.

And I kept thinking, OK, every time I’d power through my brain, I think, OK, my natural pain killing ability is coming back. Right. And then when it would finally clear, you know, I feel I feel fine. You know, migraines are the most bizarre thing because you can be debilitated and then all of a sudden it passes and you.

Okay. You’re normal again. Right. And it’s not visible. It’s not fatal. Now, you know what? And unless you have had a migraine, if people don’t get it now, they just don’t get it. So, you know, the community is everything. And I. And I get that they don’t get.

And I’m fine with that. Right. Right on. I’m sure some people go through things that I have no idea about, but it’s so helpful to have a community that gets it.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It’s it’s it’s it’s hard. I’ve said this before. It’s hard for people to relate to. It’s hard for me to remember just how excruciating my experiences after I’ve had. I like you. Like I like you. We talked about before. I just want to move on. And I often, you know, can’t even relate. Doh! Doh! It’s happened again. Just exactly. Just what it’s like. And it’s it’s not like.

Well, even now. No, it’s not. It’s not. And I mean, people are sympathetic and passionate. But yeah. No, you can’t. And it’s not visible. You have a cast that you’re not bleeding. It’s it’s it’s a weird one.

And it’s it’s a lonely experience because of that, too.

Yes, absolutely. One of the other analogies that I really like is the angry bird one. So I worked in software development for many years. And it’s this is kind of similar, not quite the same, but kind of similar. So in software or in applications. Right. If somebody if a bug shows off like a defect shows up, the very first step in troubleshooting is recreate the bug. What were the conditions that that brought to us? Right. In fact, that led to it. And then once you you can recreate it, that allows the coders to know where to start looking. Otherwise, they have to read through, you know, thousands of lines of code, which would take hours and hours. So it’s kind of the same thing. It’s just more practical, more logical to understand, you know, what conditions brought on. Right. The bugs. So I like that analogy a lot. It made me think of that.

Yes. And and the related allergy of being careful when you monkey with the machine language. Yeah. I mean, I have any idea what you’re doing just yet.

And it’s not necessary. It is right. Is much more logical to to know what area is messed up.

Right. Sure. Yeah. Well, this has been great. If you know, if you if you could talk to someone who’s maybe in Europe where you were at before you went down this road contemplating doing likewise, is there anything that you would tell them or say to give them any words of encouragement?

For sure. The first thing I would say is this works. This is legit. And, you know, I heard a few people say and I was the same like that day after I powered through the first miring without medication and found you and I saw my great miracle online. Yeah. Right. Right.

Like it is just.

I know I’m a pragmatic person, but I’m not like. But then I was so desperate. Yes. So. That’s right.

Well, you know, I haven’t really researched in a while. Maybe there is something out there that could help. And then as soon as I came onto your site and I read a bit about your story and, you know, this was a holistic approach and that you were my greener of like, OK as potential. Right. Yeah, that would be the first thing is this works. You know, you have to put in the work, so you have to follow the plan. But it definitely gets easier. And once you are on the other side of it, you’ll have a superpower not just for being free of migraines, but just taking the best care possible of you, your own health. Yeah, and I mean focusing on the process. You know, I read that book. Chop wood carrying water. I tell my husband all the time I’m watering my bamboo.

I’m do a really weird thing that I like. I’m watering my bed when I’m alone.

I think I can safely say I’m in phase three. Like last month I had one migraines. But it’s because I do have to be still super low carb like under-20. And, you know, I had I had had probably five or six days of feeling amazing.

And yeah, I think I got I got a bit cocky and I probably like 50 grams of carbs, like not bad ones, but it’s too much. And right. The next day had a horrible migraines. OK. No, I’m not there yet.

And just those limited times.

Yeah. Now I know I’m getting close to a month without a migraine. Yeah. And I do think eventually I hope that I’ll be able to go, you know, twenty five grams and 30 grams. And it was just adding some of some of the Whole Foods that I can eat. But for now, I can’t. And that’s fine. I’m fine with that. I feel so wonderful. But you do have to focus on the process. And it is important to spend time learning the principles. You can’t just. No rules because you have to understand the principles so you can adapt to your different situations. Absolutely. Really understand what’s happening with you. Love the recipes. Jenny, they’re fantastic. Thank you. We tried. We’ve tried several of them. Another important thing for me has been the community in my Green Neverland community and my support network. You know, my my family, my husband has been so supportive and my family and then understanding that I’m making some significant changes. But they’re also happy. And I guess even backing up the number one thing is the mindset. First of all, believing that it’s possible, but also getting rid of some of these limiting beliefs like I can’t live without sugar. Yeah, I can.

I haven’t really cared in life.

But it is such a limiting, blocking belief. Yes. I mean, I don’t know if you have to read like to me, I had reached a point of desperation, like I was ready to try anything. Right. To be rid of migraines. So I don’t know if you have to reach that point or not. I. But changing, you know, accepting that once you know, that you need to do this thing, even if you think you can’t, you can. Yeah, you can.

You just have to change your mind and figure out a way to adopt this new method or eating plan or whatever it is you need to change. What was really helpful to me. So I had already a lot of good habits. I had a meditation practice. I do yoga. I do weights. I’m a power walker. So the medication really was like key. I needed to stop it. Yes. And my diet, which I thought was pretty good other than I’m not going to lie, I had I had a wicked sweet tooth. Like, other than that, I ate what I thought was a healthy diet. Right. But changing to this diet. It’s been kind of radical. You know, I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Now it’s the smaller part of my diet for now. Yeah. I hope that with time I’ll be able to add some back. But right now, I mean, the big part of my diet is meat and fish and eggs and a little bit of produce and not for a little bit of dairy. Sorry and nuts and a little fruit and vegetables. But I feel so satisfied all the time and my energy is so stable and my crazy hunger pangs are gone. I never have those anymore. But you know, it it it takes a while to kind of reprogram your brain. And, you know, the whole fat is bad belief that.

That’s a big one. That’s a big lie. And it’s funny because I’ve always loved like the fat on fat on pork chops. Right. And I eat it. I eat it.

But I oh, I always can still see it. Oh, right. I’ve done that. But it’s still delicious. And I actually would feel so good. Right. So when, you know, I started reading this and I’m like. There you go. That makes sense to me. And now I eat it like consistently.

There’s a reason your brain likes it. Yes.

Yes, exactly. So the mindset is definitely that’s the first thing you have to address. For sure. For sure. The major miracle community is is key as well. Yes. Forces the success stories consistently hearing that this works. People can you can do it. And my trainers are tough. So there are a lot of wimpy bunch.

Not at all. We’ve gone through quite a bit.

Well, yeah, as you as you know, as as someone who was initially skeptical herself and and not for for good reason. These stories are incredibly helpful for, you know, helping others to see that this path can can work and for conquering that initial skepticism, which is pretty much natural for anybody who’s been in this position for any length of time. So really, really appreciate you taking time to share your story. All the wisdom you were, you filled with great points all the way around us. Thank you. Wonderful to hear.

And it’s been it’s totally my pleasure. And I thank you so much to both of you. Thank you. Honestly, it wouldn’t seem like enough. You have my endless gratitude. I feel like I’ve gotten my life back.

All right. Well, thank you again, Josette, for sharing your story with us on the podcast. That was absolutely fabulous. That whole episode, whole interview is music to my ears. You said so many wonderful things and so made so many great points that I hope people will take in anything that stood out for you. Jenny?

Yeah, a few things. I loved how she talked about how you have to have the right mindset and get rid of limiting beliefs and also how she talked about how, you know, eating now she feels so satisfied and she is so happy with the way she eats. Now, even though initially she was really hesitant, which I think is something that all of us go through. Yeah. You know, we all have to make that same transition to experience it before we can believe it. So, again, just hoping that inspires others to give it a shot and and try it out and see how they feel on the other side of that. Right. And then also, I really love the point that, you know, she said you have to put in the work. And that’s so true. It’s not we’re not just going to, you know, hand a list of this and don’t do that. You got to really understand it. And, you know, like she said, she’s still commits time to, you know, reinforcing things each day. And, you know, we just started r-tex. Kito blast and she’s she’s done it before, but she’s joined that again, you know, to see, you know, what resonates for her this time. And and I just I like that commitment to the process in that and the continued commitment to the process.

Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, we’re not done. I’m all right. You know, this is a cup process for me that’s lifelong. We’ll continue to be so because it’s a important. But B, you know, once you experience what’s possible, you just want it to keep coming. And I said, what else can I do? That’s all I know. So you don’t want to. There’s plenty of motivation to want to continue to keep learning and seeing what else you can add in. And it just kind of compounds over time. So and not just for migraines, but also for every front office. Yes, absolutely. And this is why, you know, we’re just so I don’t really want to convince people that I’m right. I just want to get people to try it right. Because that’s all that really takes. You know, once people do it, then then the momentum takes care of itself. And it’s no longer, you know, having to convince them. It’s the way. I just want you to give it a shot and experience it for themselves. And so it’s that is more powerful than anything I could say. Been talking about the way your mindset changes around food. You know, I would have I’ve said this before, too, that I, you know, enjoy eating now so much more than I used to. But, you know, 10 years ago, a few had said for me to, you know, give up some of the things that I was used to eating out, I thought, what am I going to do? And do, you know, trend changing my diet this way would have seemed, you know, like a huge sacrifice.

But like but a you know, migraines or no migraines, there’s no way I would go back to the way. Right. It’s oh, it’s a it’s really just completely transforms your experience of eating and your experience of food. It goes from that. It’s sort of like short you in the old days, you know, eating was a kind of drudgery. A lot of the time. But when it was pleasurable, it was kind of the short term, you know, a quick little burst of, you know, this tastes good, yummy. And then, you know, then it’s gone. And then oftentimes you kind of feel lousy for a while or whatever. And now you get this connection to this sort of lasting feeling of satisfaction and nourishment and everything that you connect to eating. And it’s just an entirely different experience and hard to hard to describe. And you’ve done it. And that’s. But we hear that so commonly, you know, that same the same idea that it seems like such a sacrifice in the beginning. And then you look back and you think, what in the world, you know.

That’s right. Yes. I also like that she has clearly embraced a concept that this is a holistic approach. Right. That there’s no single silver bullet. There’s no single one thing. It is all the things that combination. And as she talked about, you know, the medication, peach’s was essential for her brand. And we know that’s why it’s one of three pillars. Right. One of the things, if you don’t have that pillar, it’s the other things that you’ve done. And she’d done a lot of great things to strengthen the other pillars, but did without dealing with the medication. p.p.s. wasn’t able to see this. The benefits from those other things. And now she has. She is. And also another important point to highlight was, you know, that she went cold turkey after a very long period of time with frequent medications. And, you know, eight, eight days into it, she woke up without it, you know, without any head pain and has been doing great since then. Sorry. You know, on the scale, the scope of things. And that’s a pretty common story. The timeframe is typically shorter than people think it’s going to be. And it becomes it because it’s easier every day. It’s not like, you know, the worst of it’s in the very beginning and then notice progress over time. So. Right. Another really key thing to keep in mind.

And also with regard to the diet piece, you know, she said, you know, to talking about this is not just, you know, the silver bullet thinking it’s one thing or another. She. Had already eliminated the gluten in the sugar, right? Then she realized there was more to even just the diet piece. Exactly right. So that she really needed to work on and refine and write tweak for herself.

Right. And she’s noticed now she mentioned that she now knows it’s kind of 20 grams a day is her threshold. And, you know, this is pretty another common story. Is it? You know, folks will fall in. A lot of folks will find it at least to get to the get through the earlier phases, you know, area on the lower side of carbohydrates. Most of the bulk of her calories are coming from animal foods. You know, it’s it’s hard it’s hard to stay under that threshold if you with a lot of fruits, vegetables in the diet. So you stick to the ones that are lower carbohydrate, the non starchy vegetables and so forth. And that’s a very, very common pattern that people, you know, just implementing the same principles. We don’t really say this is what you have to do. Here are the principles.

And most folks come upon that as their primary solution. I just think it’s it’s interesting. It’s certainly been our experience as well and in common to most most folks we’ve worked with. That’s right. All right. Well, I guess we’ll wrap it up. That’s right. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Joe, that so much for sharing your story. I know it’s going to help a lot of people, and that is all for this podcast. So now it is time for you guys to go out, slay the beast.

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